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SATA drives ... master and slave?

Q: SATA drives ... master and slave?

Hi everyone. I have a SATA drive that has an OS on it (Vista), where I have forgotten the password. I have tried every recommended utility/trick, to no avail. So, I have installed a new SATA drive which has XP on it, and I want to be able to pull the info off of the old drive by connecting it to my cable, but not making it my master. The XP drive, which works perfectly fine, is the primary drive and loads up when the computer is turned on. However, after hooking up the old SATA drive, the OS on the other drive does not detect that it is hooked up (so, I can't pull info off of it and fix it where I can access it). Any recommendations? How can I get it to be detected by my OS as another drive, so that I can use Windows Explorer to access the files on it? I appreciate any help you are able to provide! Thanks in advance!

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A: SATA drives ... master and slave?

One of the points in the SATA specification was one drive with one cable. That eliminated the need for master and slave designations. Simple plug and play assuming the port is enabled in the BIOS.

Sounds to me you are confused and actually have IDE drives. Does your data cable have two data connectors?

Anyway when working with two IDE drives on the same cable, the only way to connect a slave is to manually assign them both as the master or slave. That is unless you are using a "Cable Select" cable. Cable select is market on the connectors which one is which. Otherwise it doesn't matter which drive goes where. And jumpers on the drives will need to be set to assign which one is master and which one is slave.
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Thanks for any help.

A:SATA Drives - Optimal Speed & Channel/Master/Slave

You don't want it on the same channel, as that limits its use.
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A:Can I have an IDE Master and a SATA slave???

sata doent use the master\slave system like ide does, how did you plug the sata drive in as slave, they dont have any jumpers
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A:IDE master, Sata slave

Did you Partition and format the drive in the NTFS format? If you didn't then that has to be done first.
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A:Help with SATA master with ATA slave

SATA does not have master and slave configurations.

Do you have another drive connected to the same ATA cable? If so are both drives configured correctly as master and slave?

Check Disk Management for a drive that has not assigned a drive letter.

On a side note: A bad drive may not show up in Disk Management.
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A:Master and Slave SATA

Serial ATA doesn't have masters or slaves, just one device per cable.
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I'm new to the forum so hello!

I have a problem trying to add a SATA HD to my current PC. The PC has a standard ATA HD on it which has XP installed and is set as the primary master, I want to add the SATA HD as the primary slave. The secondary master and slave are used by the DVD and the floppy. I connected the HD to one of the 2 SATA ports on the motherboard. But when in BIOS it doesn't see the new HD, only the old one. I use the auto detect but it couldn't find it. My boot order is hard drive, CD-Rom, then Floppy. How can I get the system to recognize the new HD?

Thanks for the help in advance.


A:How to set up SATA HD as slave to a ATA master?

The master and slave concepts do not exist in the SATA world - just forget about that. You can add another hard drive and it will be enumerated before or after the IDE drives and that's it.

In BIOS, where did you look for the new detected HD? It will not be listed in the IDE hard drives list.

Make sure SATA is enabled in the BIOS. Connect the drive and see whether your OS sees the new drive.
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A:IDE Master, SATA Slave

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right now If I want both HD to function together, I only have the option , boot ata with sata slave.To be able to boot on the sata I have to disconnect
my ata.
Which would be the solution for boot sata & ata slave?
my bios looks OK.
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A:SATA Master With ATA Slave?

Welcome to TechSpot, Makani

Well, SATA doesn't have masters or slaves, just one drive per channel.

You need to set the PATA drive as a master, and change BIOS boot order to boot from SATA first.
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Hi all,
can some one tell me, how to make a SATA hard disk a Master disk or a Slave disk. what does it really mean?


A:SATA, Master and Slave.

This is my understanding - hopefully someone will correct me if I am wrong (edit: I will edit until I get it right - lol):

In the IDE setup, the Jumpers on the hard drives are used to make the selection for Master one of 2 ways.

Either via Cable Select (drive position must be on the end of an 80 wire 40 pin cable usually on IDE Primary Channel connector) or by Master select (drive position must be on the end of an 80 wire 40 pin cable usually on IDE Primary connector OR in the middle of a 40 wire 40 pin cable on either the Primary or Secondary connector).

Usually, you create this on the Primary IDE connector.

In Sata there's no such thing as master/slave. There's only one drive per channel.

Windows sets the first partition of the first detected boot drive as C:, regardless of master or slave or SATA.


I think I have this right - any help greatly appreciated because I have had a lot of trouble trying to get the differences and nuances clear.
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ok so,
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A:SATA master IDE slave

You don't set sata drives to master or slave which is a huge step above IDE drives. Apparently people don't know this yet because often times they are asking how to set sata as master or slave.

If the 160 is brand new, it won't have any partitions set up, which means it won't show up in my computer, you'll have to partition it through device manager. Usually XP is smart enough to detect that and prompt you for setting up partitions right after Windows loads. Since yours didn't do that and your title says IDE Slave, I'm going to guess you screwed up and put the jumpers on the IDE drive as Slave. Remove the drive and put it as Master.

Your BIOS determines what drive it boots from. ALWAYS when you have 1 drive on the IDE ribbon you set that drive to Master (unless you are using that cable select crap - nobody should use that, ever).
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I've got experience in putting them together and pulling them apart, but I've never come across this problem before. Got any ideas?

A:IDE slave with SATA master on Vista

First, forget about Vista. If the BIOS can't find the drive, then the OS has nothing to do with it.

- you have a configuration issue (see if the IDE controller is enabled and the drives set to auto scan in BIOS)
- You have an installation issue (triple-check the jumpers and check/replace the ribbon cable)
- The hard drive is dead
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A:How to make SATA HDD as master and slave

There is no master/slave with SATA drives.

You control which one boots by the boot order in the BIOS. If your drive isn't showing up something is seriously wrong with the drive. Based on what you have said, I suspect that your drive has died and that error is only displaying because a boot sector won't be found on a dead drive. But before all hope is lost...

I'd try connecting it to a different SATA port on the motherboard, sometimes there are more than 1 controller (SATA I, SATA II, or a RAID) and I suppose there is a tiny chance you had a controller go bad. Not likely though, esp if you plugged the new drive into the same controller and it shows up.

Jumpers on SATA drives were used in the past (on some drives) to force a legacy mode if the drive was SATA II and your motherboard could only handle SATA I.
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A:2 SATA as master/slave not RAID

i dont quite get the question

when your in xp setup, look for the drive and select the drive you want to put xp on
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New Drive Western Digital 800JD
Old Drive Western Digital 800JB

A:IDE Slave Drive with SATA Master

You need to change the boot options in the BIOS. I have several systems with SATA boot drives and IDE slaves, that's all I've ever done to get them booting.
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A:sata master, ide slave, cant remove ide

When you set the old drive to be a second drive did you set the pins to slave or cable select? Make sure the pins are set to master and slave and not cable select.

Just throwing that out there-

Good luck

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A:SATA master + dual slave IDE, is it possible?

The SATA hard drive is independent of the IDE drives and master and slave do not apply to it. The two IDE drives connected to the IDE controller on the same IDE cable must have one drive set to master and the other to slave or both set to cable select. Having no jumpers at all will cause the PC to not recognize either.
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A:setting up master drives and slave drives

You can only attach two drives to each IDE cable. So on one cable you would have your boot drive with the operating system set as master with the other drive on the same cable set as slave. Check the jumpers on the back of the drives. On the other IDE cable the hard drive master/slave setting would depend on what else is on that cable. Do you have anything else hooked up like a CD or DVD drive?
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A:Master and Slave drives. Help?

your mbr goes onto the C drive
to get it onto the 60g
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A:help with master and slave drives

it sounds like your burner is operating in PIO mode instead of DMA. go to device manager and under "IDE ATA\ATAPI Controllers" right click the IDE channel that your burners are on and chose properties, under the advanced settings tab look and see if the drive is operating in DMA or PIO. if it si PIO mode then go ahead and uniinstall the IDE channel and reboot when windows boots up it will automatically reinstall the IDe channel and the drives.
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A:Installing an IDE drive as a slave with SATA as master

No you don't do it that way. SATA drives don't have master slave.

Put the IDE as master, put the SATA in as normal. Check your BIOS and set it up so it boots from your SATA.

If you did look in your BIOS you may have gotten thrown off a bit because you can 'emulate' IDE with SATA to prevent needing to install SATA drivers for XP, but only on some motherboards.

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A:SATA II HDD - Does IDE Channel Master/Slave matter?


Welcome to Seven Forums.
Although it may appear dated, have a look at this article - How To Install and Troubleshoot Serial ATA (SATA) Hard Drives
Also have a look at this tutorial (credits to Seagate)

Hope this answers your query in some way

Take care and regards
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Why is this and how can i fix it? I purley wont to use the 4gb for testing small programmes.

Please can you help

Baltan :wave:

A:How to set up master and slave on Hard Drives?

First, set the jumpers on the 4gig hard drive to slave. there should be a diagram on the drive that shows the position of the jumpers. Set the jumpers on your main hard drive to master, again look at the diagram on the hard drive for jumper settings. Connect the master drive to the end of the IDE cable and the slave drive to the connector that is part way down the ide cable.

Start your computer and see if both drives are detected on the primary ide channel in the correct order.

Regards Howard
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A:Can I 'swap' the Master and Slave CD drives?

Yes you can physically swap them. Check any jumpers they may have on them to make sure they are set right. Also you could change the boot order in the BIOS if you don't feel like taking the machine apart.
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A:Master & Slave Drives and ROMS????

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A:My master HD (ide) may be dying...can I move the data to slave (sata)?

You ought to be able to drag the entire content of your 120 gb hard drive onto your 250 gb hard drive without any problems... I can't say for certain, but I think it wouldn't have any problems.
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I would appreciate instructions on the correct configuration on setting-up all of these drives. Meaning which drives should be conected on cables together and whether the drive should be designated as master or slave.

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Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Kind Regards,


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What you suggested should work.

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Install Windows with everything connected.

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[This message has been edited by SGtheArtist (edited 09-24-2000).]
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A:Master or Slave

Yeah it does matter quit a bit.

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It matters little where you put the CD-ROM, but it is the usual practice, and there are some performance benefits, to using the secondary master connection before using the primary slave. In other words, you have it right if the jumper is set correctly.

What you want to look for in the BIOS is whether both IDE channels are enabled. Some machines have the second channel inactivated when they leave the factory since there is nothing connected to it.

Also, in Device Manager, check your IDE controller settings. It may be set to "Default". That is OK, but changing it to "Both" will insure that the second channel is active.
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Could anyone clarify this for me please.

I have a CD burner as my master and a DVD burner as a slave.

I do most of my burning onto DVD so should i jiggle the ribbons and jumpers about to make the DVD burner the Master ?

I burn a lot of avi and mpeg file formats and i get 'some' lip sync problems, not always but often, I have done as asked about closing all system tray apps and doing a defrag etc before burning and i still get the odd issue so,, i was reading a thread here about someone elses burning problems and they too had their DVD burner as a slave !!!! I wondered if there was a point to this master / slave option.

Thanks for any replies

A:Master or Slave ?


The point is that every master can stand alone. If you have a single drive on a ribbon cable that drive must be a master, or otherwise a master can stand alone. If you have two drives on a cable, there must be a master and a slave, or every master must have a slave in this case.

Therefore, it really doesn't matter a lot which is which for practical usage purposes, although my personal preference is the set the one I use the most as Master and if another is on that ribbon cable, it is my slave.

Once set, you don't need to mess with them. I also suspect that any problems you are having might have more to do with the drive or driver than with the master/slave configuration.

Don't forget, the master must always be on the end of the ribbon cable and the slave must be in the middle of the ribbon cable.

Note: Just wanted to mention that WD hard drives are slightly different in their configuration. If you have a WD hard drive and it is alone on the ribbon cable, take all jumpers off and put it on the end of the ribbon cable.
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Welcome, khayoh

You may be a bit confused. The CDRW will either be the master OR the slave, depending on whether you have it on the same ribbon with another device, like your hard drive, or a CDROM drive, etc. There is a jumper setting on the back that you will move accordingly.
Here is a duplicate thread which basically is a two part problem....

[Edited by AcaCandy on 06-08-2001 at 04:33 PM]
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A:Master + Slave

Master and Slave are only applicable to the controller you are connecting the ribbon cable to. It doesn't affect the motherboard.
So say for instance you had two IDE plugs and four PATA harddrives. You could conned two to each connection right? Yes, and in each you will have one Master and one Slave. SATA doesnt need to know how the other controllers do their thing. So:

PATA Controller > Master > Slave (1st and 2nd)
PATA Controller > Master > Slave (3rd and 4th)
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A:adding a CD/DVD RW Master or Slave?

If you want to keep both and put them on the same cable, then just keep your present drive as master and make the new one slave. You really don't need both drives but no reason you can't have the two of them.
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A:trouble with master and slave HD's

Good Morning Will, actually as you are aware you have a number of problems and each needs to be separately addressed.
I feel you might make another post about the 200 gig drive at a later time and consider the problem with the other drives as the more important.

You might fit the original hard drive in the original orientation so that the initial system can be analysed.
You might also have a read of another post on this site.

The reason I mention this will become apparent shortly.

You original problem kind of indicates there may be some problem with your basic machine, so if we can restore the thing physically to the previous best known original operating arrangement we can begin troubleshooting from there.

So only fit your original hard drive and set everything as normal, ensure the BIOS is seeing your old main hard drive.

If so, try the HDDRegen program I mentioned in the other post.

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Was it imperitive to save anything on that other hard drive.
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A:Master/Slave on laptop- What does it mean?

Your teacher's lecture is a bit flawed. In my opinion I would not refer to a group of computers as slaves. However if it is technically and logically sound, I still would not use that terminology. I would prefer to use the terminology client/server or user/administrator. these are the most common uses:- In a client-server relation, the client is the master, and the server is the slave.- In database replication, the master database is regarded as the authoritative source, and the slave databases are synchronized to it.- Peripherals connected to a bus in a computer system.In true technology standings a computer that can access and control other computers would be the "administrator" while the student's computers will be the "clients" or "users"The computer belongs to the school, then there is no way to stop him from accessing it and this website condones any act that is made to bypass any system security. Please do not ask questions about bypassing ANY type of security.
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A:Slave or Master-Advice Please

Primary IDE Master: Hard drive
Primary IDE Slave: Nothing

Secondary IDE Master: DVD-ROM
Secondary IDE Slave: Nothing

When certain problems arise (and sooner or later they might), you're going to wish you had a floppy drive installed because some diagnostics/repairs can only be done with a floppy disk. Booting to CD in the BIOS isn't 100%.
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A:Slave and Master HardDrive

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A:Is a HD always a master and a DVD always a slave on the same IDE dable

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A:problems with the sec master, sec slave

check the jumpers on the drives, make sure that one of them is set to master and one to slave

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A:slave refuses to be a master ?

Did you install Windows using your PC and then transfer the drive to his PC? I think it won't boot because Windows is trying to find the drivers for your PC whereas it needs the ones for your friend's PC. Try wiping the drive, (I'm assuming nothing important is on it) and install Windows with the drive in the computer it will be used on.

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A:Master Slave Setup

Yes. Hard-drives take advantage of the latest IDE technology. You will want your two hard-drives slaved off eachother on the primary IDE controller with the highest-speed IDE cable the drives can accept, which will probably be either ATA100 or ATA133. The hardrive containing the operating system should be the master drive, obviously.

Your DVD drive and CD burner should be slaved off eachother on the secondary IDE using any type of IDE cable. As long as your not using absolute crap cable it shouldn't make any noticeable difference. I prefer the drive with the highest read speed to be the master drive, but thats your call.
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A:new harddrive is slave, wants to be master

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A:Master/Slave IDE Problems

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